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SOLUTION FOR APOGEE P2 INTEGRATION
In 2018 BACnetP2 was installed at our first site, in Hong Kong. Between 2018 and 2021 BACnetP2 had been installed at 14 sites, with 33 more in 2022 and another 13 so far in 2023, bringing our total to 60.
BACnetP2 has been installed in the USA, Canada, Australia, Hong Kong, South Korea and South Africa. We have written a short summary of our first site. Please check back for updates. As of April 2023, we have integrated over 14,000 Siemens Apogee devices across 60 sites.
The following are examples of Building Automation Systems that BACnetP2 has already been used with.
In November 2022, BACnetP2 was installed on a site in Washington DC. The client heard about us from one of our USA distributors and then contacted us for a demonstration. After the initial meeting the solution was presented to their customer, who had a site with a 50/50 mix of medium and old equipment (1 to 2 decades). They were impressed with the results and decided to move forward with the project.
Panels: 30
TECs: 185
50/50 mix of medium and old equipment (1 to 2 decades)
The project had a number of considerations, such as:
Three months after the initial demo, the client implemented our gateway at their customer’s site. BACnetP2 allowed the customer to retain all of their existing equipment by providing integration between their existing Apogee system and ABB Tridium.
The customer is very happy with the results BACnetP2 has provided. Through the implementation of BACnetP2, the customer was able to avoid the cost related to upgrading to the new Desigo system and the cost of ripping and replacing their old system. The site now has an updated interface and graphics which has improved user experience.
Our first site was completed in 2018 and it took 3 months to complete as it was a beta site. The client at this site is a large university located in Hong Kong. The estimated rip-and-replace device cost for the TECs would have been in excess of US$ 450,000 in materials alone. Labour and engineering time excluded.
Siemens Annual service fee: US$ 129,000
Siemens Upgrade Insight 3.8 to 3.15: US$ 248,000
Siemens Upgrade Insight 3.15 to Desigo CC: US$ 75,000
Panels: 234 (120,000 points)
TECs: 2325 (estimated value US$ 200 each = US$ 465,000)
At the site the TECs were not easily accessible often being installed behind skimmed ceilings. Due to the difficulty in accessing the space where the TEC devices were installed it was decided to retain the TECs. Another consideration was the airflow sensors built into the TECs. These venturi sensors are used to control the airflow in the ducting system. This would have increased the upgrade costs. It was also important to minimize any possible disruption of operations at this busy university.
The solution was to upgrade the site to a modern BMS system by using BACnetP2 to integrate with the existing system. This enabled the client to upgrade while retaining all those TECs without having to touch them. The upgrade was done at a lower cost than the siemens Desigo CC quoted price and the new service contract was less than half of the previous price.
Upgrade cost: US$ 248,000
Annual service fee : US$ 38,700
The final result was a smooth transition from the Insight to the new BAS system. There was no downtime on the apogee system because it was retained online throughout the upgrade. The client achieved a saving of US$ 75,000 on the system upgrade and can look forward to a service contract saving of US$ 90,000 per year going forward.
Savings on Siemens Insight 3.8 to Desigo CC upgrade: US$ 75,000
Annual service fee savings: US$ 90,300
USA site 1Location: Texas Building type: Office block |
USA site 2Location: Massachusetts Building type: Museum |
USA site 3Location: Pennsylvania Building type: University |
USA site 4Location: California Building type: Office block |
USA site 5Building type: University |
USA site 6Location: Illinoise
Panels:6 |
USA site 7Location: Arizona Building type: Restaurant |
USA site 8Location: Oklahoma Building type: Office block |
USA site 9Location: Wisconsin Panels:1 |
USA site 10Location: California Building type: Office block |
USA site 11Location: New York
Panels:34 |
USA site 12Location: Washington |
USA site 13
Panels:9 |
USA site 14Location: California
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USA site 15
Panels:8 |
USA site 16
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USA site 17Location: New Jersey Building Type: University |
USA site 18Location: Arkansas |
USA site 19Location: Florida
Panels:8 |
USA site 20Location: New Hampshire Panels:14 |
USA site 21Location: California Panels: 18 |
USA site 22 Location: Washington Panels:11 |
USA site 23Location: Georgia Panels: 17
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USA site 24Location: Massachusetts Building type: Hospital
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USA site 25Location: Kansas Panels: 1 |
USA site 26 Location: Georgia Panels: 5 |
USA site 27Location: California Panels: 1
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USA site 28Location: Washington Panels: 30 |
USA site 29Location: Louisiana Panels: 53 |
USA site 30 Location: Iowa Panels: 3 |
USA site 31Location: California Panels: 11
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USA site 32Location: New Jersey Panels: 23 |
USA site 33Location: Connecticut Panels: 12 |
USA site 34 Location: Florida Panels: 22 |
USA site 35Location: Iowa Panels: 3
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USA site 36Location: California Panels: 20 |
USA site 37Location: Minnesota Panels: 3 |
USA site 38 Massachusetts Panels: 5 |
USA site 39 Location: Ohio Panels: 45 |
USA site 40 Location: Florida Panels: 7 |
USA site 41Location: Louisiana
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USA site 42 Massachusetts Panels: 2 |
USA site 43 Location: Ohio Panels: 34 |
USA site 44 Location: Virginia Panels: 12 |
USA site 45Location: Oklahoma Panels: 5 |
USA site 46 Texas Panels: 85 |
USA site 47 Virginia Panels: 252 |
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Canada site 1Location: Toronto Panels:6 |
Canada site 2
Panels:1 |
Canada site 3
Panels: 4
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Hong Kong site 2Building type: University |
Hong Kong site 3Building type: University |
Hong Kong site 4Building type: University |
Hong Kong site 5Building type: University |
South Africa site 1Building type: Hotel |
South Africa site 2Building type: Hotel |
South Africa site 3Building type: Business Headquarters |
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South Korea site 1Building type: University |
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Australia site 1
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Stay updated about new BACnetP2 features. Click the button below to email us and we will add you to our mailing list. We will send you updates no more than once a month, with any new developments regarding BACnetP2.